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Friday, 17 April 2009

REVELATION 12 revisiting for the sake of clarity

While the questions of my life do not include religion, “the disciplines, moralities, or dogma men demand”. The reality of prophecy that can be found in religious doctrine does hold some interest in these days.
{I have investigated the Christian religion thoroughly, but find “my heart” is bigger than these things. They want/ I desire..they demand/ I search....they command/ I say free.....they allow only church doctrine/ I say truth....and so on.}

Revelation 12 in particular, has literally affected me.
It reads, “a great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head”.  Translated, heaven is the place GOD BUILT for humanity (therefore, where men have not destroyed completely, this earth is translated as heaven; in the basic terms of time in this life.) The great and wondrous sign that appears, is a woman in plain view of this world; clothed with the light that makes this earth known/ a moon under her feet, is a description of what is foreign, yet known and seen since the beginning of humanity; that would be she stands on a man.  The crown of twelve stars is simply an ability to establish the foundations that rule this earth, in a new and different way.
“She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.”  Translated means;   pregnant is:   she is going to deliver a new life, a new way, and a new method to this world. The pain of giving birth simply translated means it will not be easy, but nature insists/ and means now.


“Then another sign appeared in heaven; an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads”.   It means; there will be very many enemies ready to kill/ they represent the seven basic decisions of humanity, that translate why they fail: hate/ pride/ power/ selfishness/ want/ lust/ and violence.  The seven crowns symbolize, these control human life; the ten horns are a variety of weapons used for that control. They are: fear, extortion, propaganda, money, sex against women, torture, rage, murder, government, and religion.
“His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to earth”.  Translates as, those who hate us, are going to try to remove every option for peaceful change that does exist today. Stating in very simple terms: you are not allowed to do this, we decree it/ we remove it from you.
“The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that  He might devour her child the moment it was born”.  Translated, although the people of hate cannot stop the child from being born/ there are plans and plotting to stop any signs of life once the child is here.
“She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up to GOD and to HIS THRONE.”  Translated it means; that her ways,{the people who believe law and the power of law will rule and change this world/ they learn.} will describe truth and reality and the opportunity for all nations not only to inherit control of their own lives as a humanity, but only deliver the understanding and information necessary for life on earth to seek   GOD in truth for themselves.


“The woman fled into the desert to a place prepared for her by GOD, where she might be taken care of for 1260 days”. Translated the presence of the woman here on earth, is literally me; the man she stand on.  And it will soon be necessary to leave here or die.
“and there was war in heaven.  Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.  But he as not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down- that ancient serpent called the devil or satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to earth, and his angels with him.”  Translated: the fight for life on earth has begun, the reality becomes clear that life is no longer a gift (because nature can no longer simply overtake humanity; now humanity must decide to keep nature alive, instead of nature keeping humanity alive). It is a new day/ but not a better one.  Michael, and every angel are descriptions of truth, understood and found alive in the law of our universe.  These things describe what has been done, and what needs to be done to survive; and there are no exceptions, you will do what truth demands, or die.  This is a literal expression/ not a figurative one; follow truth, back to survival of life, or you fail. Those who want/ those with pride that will not be removed; all say NO.  The great dragon is FEAR/ and the people of earth accomplish the need to fight, because the fear of all the earth dying, is greater than the fear of hate, and what men and women will do.  The people gather as one, and they force government and law and politics and science and the rest to accept what is true for life and living here on earth.


“Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: now have the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our GOD, and the authority of HIS CHRIST.”  Translated; when the people of peace and life find themselves in authority of governments and society/ find themselves following truth and love and life first for the sake of human existence and the purposes of love, honor, respect, and family: they do rejoice.
“For the accuser of our brothers, who accuses them before our GOD day and night, has been hurled down”.  Translated, it means the fears of humanity, the pride and want of death rather than life; has ended for the majority.  Or more simply: people recognize that life will be better/ because hate, and all the things that destroy peace and harmony in this world, have been removed or caged or sent away.
“They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death.”   Translated it means:   that the influence in words, that reveal the life that was called JESUS/ from the Christian bible, becomes an understanding of faith, that eternity does in fact exist, and these people who do fight for life in this world called earth are greatly influenced; and do speak of this in their work for life on earth. {This prophecy does come from a Christian bible/ but it is also, the only religious book I own”. And my life has been greatly influenced by the life JESUS did live; I am a believer/ but not a religious man. The difference is freedom and truth/ the need to understand for myself.} As to not shrinking from death/ the truth is;   if life on earth is not saved by women, there will be no life on earth, so it is rather a mute point.
“Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them”!  Translated, simply be glad if you are a savior of this world/ or a helper, to those who must save it; because life is eternal for you.  So says the prophecy.


“But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you!  He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short.”   Translated it means, when confronted with losing all want, to the realities of truth and future needs/ confronted with the reality that money is no longer of importance, and the reality of being rich or powerful or even proud has ended.  There will be an insane grab for all that can be gained before these restrictions arrive. That will include the last life in the sea/ anything that can be traded for want or pride or power. In sight or out of sight/ wherever a robbery can be.
“When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child.”  Translated it means: that the men and women of hate, will seek to remove that person (me) which they believe has caused all this trouble for them; by murder/ or if they can, by torture to make the others fear.
“The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the desert, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and a half a time, out of the serpents reach.”  Translated it is likely I would need a plane to get far enough away, to be safe from those who “like snakes” will come searching through every hiding hole around. Either by manipulating people, or whatever is decreed.
The time is likely to be a period in one place/ that must then be moved to another for roughly the same period/ and then another for half again as long.
“Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent.”  Translated; “they attempt to find me, by offering “power or any of the 7 crowns they still control” to any who will abandon me or deliver me.


“But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of its mouth.”   Translated; as this reward is increasing to temptations for many/ the earth itself    Will have a major event of some type that will redirect all attention to it; stopping all temptation, and returning those who desire life to respect and hope in survival of this earth.
“Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring- those who obey GOD’S commandments and hold to the testimony of JESUS.”  Translated; having failed, because this tragedy has convinced the people who can be claimed back from hate to abandon hate altogether/ the remaining “primary group of militant terrorists” go about creating havoc for all people on earth.
“And the dragon stood on the shore of the sea”.  Translated; because water presents the power of life to live, and dragons are always about fear. It  means the people of hate look to what they can do with the power left,   to make people fear.


Revelation 12 is the dividing line between what happens if men retain control of life on earth, in the first eleven chapters.  The fact that we are discussing this means: that women have been given their chance to lead life on earth! What happens if women begin to assert their own power/ and what men will do; are prophecies from 12 on. In simple abbreviated form the beast of 13 is an atomic bomb set off somewhere on earth.  (Doesn’t have to be/ but take a look Russia is posturing, because the USA is tempting them to do it “just like the Cuban fiasco” ) stop them, or it will become true.  The second beast is an attempt to control fear by pretending that this earth can be at peace: even with weapons of mass destruction, in control by the insane. An obvious lie, whose purpose is to convince the minds, of people on earth that “with this one leader/ with all the weapons under his command/ with power to order obedience and violence as he desires; the world will be a better place”: and some fools believe/ because fear grips them so hard, they cannot think anymore.
14, is a description of people who will not accept weapons of mass destruction anywhere on earth.  Those willing, to either remove these weapons today, or end the threats now, by whatever means necessary:   the earth cannot go on/ therefore its all or nothing. They are believers in   GOD, for real/ not terrorists, but those who march with the law. The first angel is a demand for the truth called RESPECT FOR    GOD.  The second angel, is the beginning descent of America from power and glory among the nations.  The third angel is a truth demanding your own decision: one way, or the other/ life on earth requires this work.  The harvest of the earth predicts many will die: some to eternal life/ but very many to the consequences of civil war.  It is unclear if this will spread beyond America. [it is also a choice/ as with an atomic bomb going off; you can still stop this now; by going to court].


15 & 16, predicts those who fight for life on earth/ by the removal of weapons of mass destruction will win.  But the sea of glass mixed with fire; is a clear warning “it will not be free”. The price of this war, is the destruction of all that provides for life/ the plagues symbolize that fact on earth. A consequence of death, war, weapons used, and so on.  BUT the insane still lurk on earth, and a terrible punishment comes on America either the release of all atomic weapons left hitting it/ or Yellowstone erupting in a tremendous volcano event. [Doesn’t have to happen, you can choose better/ you can create world law, and abide in it].
17, is what happens to me/ should women not protect me; and I am surrendered to those who hate. OR it is about the reality of women in their struggle to attain the courage needed to rule this earth/ and the consequences. [it is a choice, as are each consequence].
18, is about the completion of America in descent. [doesn’t have to happen/ you can choose to rebuild, with honesty, honor, courage, and respect.  You can choose to control greed and cooperate with each other.  BUT you are poor, owing everyone/ and this too, will not be free].
19 is about change coming on earth; the woman to be married is women now in charge of this entire world. The twenty four elders are laws of the universe come to rule here through women/ the four living creatures, reminders that you are watched for truth.  Should these women achieve power to rule, they then send an army to remove the weapons of men/ all who fail to surrender hate are killed, or removed to another place.
20 is a relationship with time, that ends in the last days of earth because all the resources are gone/ used up my humanity. In the last days of life on earth, people will again learn how to hate.  There is then judgment day, where life or death for an eternity begins.
21 is about the time between 19 and the end of days proclaimed in 20; a time of peace, love, rebuilding, and happiness.


22 is the assertion, that these things will come true for both men and women and children as well.  That the testimony of   JESUS regarding eternal life, and love, and GOD will be proven as life.

There are other translations for you at www.soultalking.info & spread throughout my sites as are linked at www.justtalking.info   Left side, toward the bottom of home page.
Do bear in mind; that as is true of all religious prophecy; these things are predictions/ they are not “blueprints” of exactly what time or society, or behavior will be, when fulfilled.  In other words a prophecy is based upon predicted human behaviors/ if you change the behavior, you change the prophecy. As you look at this one and others, it is however clear “the prophecies are pretty good; because the behaviors of men (leaders of society) have changed little, therefore  these things are coming true”.


Do bear in mind, I do not discard religions/ I simply don’t participate anymore.  I BELIEVE instead, and find my proof and my trust, in the spirit world/ instead of religious text.  Do not be fooled, spirit is a dimension unlike this earth or all that is consistent with your expectations. It is extremely rare, “that any voice” should appear inside your mind/ NOT completely “can’t be”/ but extremely rare.  The spirit world of life, IS NEVER about the destruction of any life/ in any way.  But do understand we live in time, and its consequences do require decisions where law allows, and reality defends. There are descriptions in these sites to help you understand how and what spirit means/ but bear in mind, that spiritual existence is a dangerous place, where small mistakes become life ending realities.  Mercy is better for the vast majority; because without RESPECT, trust, faith, truth, love, courage, and humility guiding your journey/ bad things will happen.  See to it/ you have them all, or don’t enter in: it’s a choice, never a command. Much of insanity, is about those who could not make this journey and failed.

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